"GGG’s Disgrace: Arrogant Devs Abandon PoE 2 While Game Burns in Bug Hell!"

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I don't redefine "lie".

Do you understand what a "deception" is and how it relates to "lying"?


If they didn't intend to deceive you, they weren't lying. Intent is requisite.

I'm going to stop now for real because if you keep this up I'm going to have to start reconsidering my prior statements about your intelligence and I don't really want to do that.

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Kerchunk#7797 wrote:
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I don't redefine "lie".

Do you understand what a "deception" is and how it relates to "lying"?


If they didn't intend to deceive you, they weren't lying. Intent is requisite.

I'm going to stop now for real because if you keep this up I'm going to have to start reconsidering my prior statements about your intelligence and I don't really want to do that.
So, if someone does not intend to lie to you, but later changes his mind and does not intend to inform you about this change, you are still pretending there is no intent because there wasn't intent from the start!?

Imagine you start a relationship with someone.
You two voice the intent to be together because you think your are perfect for each other and, idk, make a family.

Then, after 2 years, your partner changes his mind for whatever reason and does not intend to make a family with you because you are not the perfect fit anymore.

But instead of telling you, the person goes on for 2 more years with you, until telling you that the person changed their mind a long time ago.

Do you feel deceived? Lied to?
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Kerchunk#7797 wrote:
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I don't redefine "lie".

Do you understand what a "deception" is and how it relates to "lying"?


If they didn't intend to deceive you, they weren't lying. Intent is requisite.

I'm going to stop now for real because if you keep this up I'm going to have to start reconsidering my prior statements about your intelligence and I don't really want to do that.
So, if someone does not intend to lie to you, but later changes his mind and does not intend to inform you about this change, you are still pretending there is no intent because there wasn't intent from the start!?

Imagine you start a relationship with someone.
You two voice the intent to be together because you think your are perfect for each other and, idk, make a family.

Then, after 2 years, your partner changes his mind for whatever reason and does not intend to make a family with you because you are not the perfect fit anymore.

But instead of telling you, the person goes on for 2 more years with you, until telling you that the person changed their mind a long time ago.

Do you feel deceived? Lied to?


Excuse me, but on what grounds can you say GGG "changed their mind and didn't tell us"?

Like, do you live in their brain or something? Do you know that they secretly decided to wait 2 years with letting people know about their minds being changed?

Sure, changing your mind about something and then pretending you haven't would be lying, but you have literally no evidence they did that. You're assuming that's what happened, because for some reason it seems like you just really want to believe that they lied.

It's so important to you to claim that they lied, than in lieu of any actual evidence that they lied, you're literally just making up your own headcanon about how they secretly waited long stretches of time before admitting that they changed their mind about something. That other guy you were arguing with backed you into a corner where you were forced to admit that you were making up your own definition for the word "lie", so now you try to make up your own reality instead. You've just made an assumption, and now you're arguing as if your assumption is objective reality.

I think you might need to just calm down a little bit. Reflect, and ask yourself why it's so important to you to be able to claim they are liars that you're sitting here essentially making up your own reality in your head to justify those claims.
Last edited by MarsAstro#7928 on Apr 22, 2025, 2:33:47 AM
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Excuse me, but on what grounds can you say GGG "changed their mind and didn't tell us"?

Like, do you live in their brain or something? Do you know that they secretly decided to wait 2 years with letting people know about their minds being changed?
https://www.youtube.com/live/XE3MAFGDzWw?feature=share&t=14753
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They deserve holidays! My god play other game untill they fix things
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Excuse me, but on what grounds can you say GGG "changed their mind and didn't tell us"?

Like, do you live in their brain or something? Do you know that they secretly decided to wait 2 years with letting people know about their minds being changed?
https://www.youtube.com/live/XE3MAFGDzWw?feature=share&t=14753


Yeah, so that's one person talking about how he personally thought it had to be a separate game at one point.

Does one person thinking it needs be a separate game mean that the company has now decided to make it a separate game?

No. No, it does not.

At most that means this is when Jonathan started trying to convince the others that it needed to be a different game. Maybe it took him a few years to get others on board with that idea, maybe the rest wanted to keep it as an expansion for some time before Jonathan convinced them of his conviction that it needed to be a different game.

Or maybe not. Who knows how it went down? Certainly not you, unless you really do live in their brains. Somehow I get the feeling you don't live in their brains though, somehow I get the feeling that you're still just making assumptions and are now desperately scrambling for "evidence" that your assumptions are true.
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Yeah, so that's one person talking about how he personally thought it had to be a separate game at one point.
That "one person" is the GAME DIRECTOR.
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Kerchunk#7797 wrote:
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I don't redefine "lie".

Do you understand what a "deception" is and how it relates to "lying"?


If they didn't intend to deceive you, they weren't lying. Intent is requisite.

I'm going to stop now for real because if you keep this up I'm going to have to start reconsidering my prior statements about your intelligence and I don't really want to do that.



They have been at this for a week+ now lol

It’s not even about facts for them at this point, it’s about feelings. They feel betrayed, so they’re retroactively assigning malice to justify the intensity of their reaction.

Words like “liar” or “deception” carry weight. You don't toss them around because the direction of a product changed, especially when that change was eventually communicated. It's not like GGG tried to sneak PoE2 past anyone.

If someone is going to talk about this for over a week at this point, they have deeper issues.

This is semantics weaponized by someone with an emotional axe to grind.
Mash the clean
Why are you defending this? The guys right... 0.o literally whole company is burning currently and people still defend this blizzard level crap.
This was the most awesome popcorn grabbing thingy I've seen in a long time here.

Thank you for the most entertaining schoolyard trough-the-fence brawl. You guys are awesome and show us all what passion can do with your time. Holding a grudge over a F2P game and showing genuine bitterness over something you can just walk away in a split second is the true hallmark of sane intelligent people. Keep it up. Was enlightening.

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